asist2007 opening science to all

ASIST2007: Opening Science to All

Opening Science for All

Phil Edwards (moderator)

Bora Zivkovic, PLOS One Community Manager, doctoral student at UNC

(chronobiology), biology adjunct NC Wesleyan, Blog Around the Clock.

o what is a science blog? a blog written about science? a blog written

by a scientist or both?

o functions

o public communication of science

o media watchdog for how media portrays science (mismatch btwn media

and real article and what it really says)

o blogs in the classroom

o combating pseudoscience, and also trying to get higher in results

o affecting policy

o publish data or research reports (smaller than the "least

publishable unit")

o topics

o humorous takes

o history/philosophy/sociology of science

o science

o blog carnivals

o magazine/journal/publisher blogs (SciAm, Seed, Nature, PLOS, etc)

(Info about PLOSone, all areas of science, not selective, peer

reviewed for writing and general stuff, and then it's possible to

annotate, comment, trackback, etc.)

science bloggers write comments very differently than do non-blogging

scientist. Science bloggers write very short blunt comments while

other scientist write diplomatic letters to the editor with citations

and everything

Jean-Claude Bradley, Associate Professor of Chemistry, Drexel, Useful

Chem project, Open Notebook science

continuum

o traditional model with only the scientist and her supervisor seeing

the lab notebook, you'll still miss a lot of good science that will

never make it to the journal literature

o traditional journal articles, you can get from your library

o open access journals that are available to all but are still

finished works and require authors to pay

o increasing automation of science, moving to human system of computer

agents and machines

o agents read/write with zero cost (whether the agents be human or

computer)

o selected malaria - neglected, very much needed, and pharma companies

are not actively trying to commercialize

o a blog about the project

o a blog about the molecules

o a blog about the experiments

o found that the blog wasn't good for organizing things so started a

wiki

o reports things that didn't work

o records changes, each experiment one page, can attribute changes

o 3rd party time stamps on experiment versions

o it's indexed and there's proof of priority so actually probably

safer than keeping quiet (as far as "are you afraid of being scooped"

o tag using InChI, which google can index

o raw data through JSpecView - allows you to zoom in and see the

details, reviewers and readers can't judge accuracy of reported

results in the literature bcs can't see the data. This allows you to

see the details

o ChemSpider crawls, and allows you to do substructure searching

o his goal is not to have a server at all

o has made connections with scientists who do related research both

docking studies and efficacy against malarial enzymes (forgive the

scientific inaccuracy, the fault is mine)

o mailing lists, too

o posters in second life, see: scifooliveson.wikispaces.com

question from audience: in a gov't lab, trying to sell to scientific

directors

J-C B - you won't really be able to convince people, so you have to

talk to the people who are willing and work with them. It doesn't

happen in a day, it took a lot of work

q: how hard is it to handle the graphics?

J-C B - open source software and it works really well, and you can

just drag it across

Janet Stemwedel, Philosophy, San Jose State, Adventures in Ethics and

Science

Social and Scientific Implications of Science Blogs

Why the web 2.0 tools might help scientist on their own rights

(without considerations of social implications to the community)

Science - build scientific knowledge

scientific communication

- sharing results

- training new scientists

scientific communication

- asking non-scientists for resources

- sharing vital info with the public

traditional methods

journal article - long timescale, incentive to be secretive (about

methods and findings - maybe accidentally leave out important

details), competing interests of reviewers

conference presentations - shorter timescale, ephemeral, you have to

be there to participate

press releases, popular presentations - no real back and forth

(scientist proclaims, audience tries to understand), at the mercy of

journalists, challenges of communicating and translating to a lay

audience

knowledge building requires good communication

- see Longino, Science as Social Knowledge [excellent book, i agree]

- objectivity achieved by comparing results/interpretations

- interdisciplinary

- avoiding duplication and dead-ends (replication good, duplication

bad, how do you tell the difference)

Worries about the traditional channels

- after work is complete, less back and forth, less input while you're

at it

- amount of information that isn't reported, what didn't work

Promising features of blogs

- very short

- less ephemeral, asynchronous, over other blogs

- can involve people from various backgrounds

- free of some of the pitfalls of peer review (conservative)

but

- quality control

- perhaps peer review isn't as good as it could be, and there's not a

whole lot of reward for scientist to do peer review, it's squeezed in

- window into knowledge building stages, science as an on-going

process

Community within science

- training in apprenticeship and mentorship in how to engage in the

community (socialization to a certain extent)

- talking explicitly about how science works

- is there anyone else like me?

- build a virtual community

audience of the willing

- will anyone read this?

- anyone will read this!

- protecting anonymity, but at the risk of lessening authority

- can we shift the culture: more cooperation, more mentoring, better

discussions of community norms and discussions

- transparency

- scientists as humans with lives

--- drawing ---

question: publication after posting

J-CB this is a really big concern if you're interested in IP. We're

not, but I do have patents so I know about that. If you are

interested, you shouldn't do open notebook science. You can do a

provisional patent, but that's a lot of work.

question: talking about scientists standing alone, but what's the role

of the institution?

JS universities are resistant to change, part of the problem comes

from judging productivity, etc., by counting number of publications

and grant money won. But this can't change until people who agree

there's a problem move on to the other side of the line.

questions: if you had to a key research question or area that you

think is important to investigate what would it be? in terms of the

research on how to use blogs and wikis to support science (from JP

from Maryland)

JS one of the issues, where do scientists learn how to be a good

scientist, how do they learn about ethics and being part of the

community. How can blog enable discussions about what it is to be a

good scientists

J-CB one of the byproducts of open notebook is to see how science is

done. One of the things I'm learning, when others try this, about the

assumptions I made about how to do science, that science is done

differently elsewhere.

BZ it is a software, publication of a scientific paper is not the end,

but it has a life, post-publication peer review.

question from the audience (K.S. from Indiana): a lot of ethics lapses

around record keeping, people were talking about electronic lab

notebooks, but they haven't caught on in academy for various reasons.

One thought was that blogs could help train new scientists in records

can you speak to this

J-CB blogs enable me to mentor the student several times a day because

it's all online. It is what it is, from an undergraduate. Anyone in

the world can mentor the student who has competence in that area

JS from cold hearted experience in the lab, electronic lab notebooks

are scary because disks can get clobbered, but something on the

network is backed up and stable

J-CB can also back up by zip with a button for the wiki

question: archival issues, assignment of credit and assignment of

authority, his reviewers for a paper rejected a citation to Shirky's

Ontology article (bleh)

BZ well not every scientific paper is worth the paper its typed on.

New guidance on how to cite blog posts in medical papers (from NLM,

probably?). Comments for PLOS get DOIs, so you can cite them. What is

a unit in scientific literature is getting more ambitious.

J-CB so if you keep your copyright, then you can submit things to

Nature Preceedings and get a DOI and it doesn't have peer review, but

it does have editorial review

JS we have to keep making the argument

question: a couple of decades ago, we thought that maybe the internet

would help scientists on the periphery. Has this reinforced the

stratification. J-C have you been able to expand the network farther?

J-CB I'm willing to work with anyone who is willing to share data, but

it might be only bigger institutions that might have

JS huge portion of blogosphere about women scientists blogging

anonymously, talking about how to stay in and deal with issues. These

women are getting support they wouldn't have been

-- but if all that counts is the discovery

JS but if the women all decide to give up and leave, then... what

women need is not help with the science, but help dealing with the

problems and issues with being a woman in a male-dominated field.

BZ open access publishing is essential for globalization of science .

PLOS's latest journal is Neglected Tropical Diseases.

(so sorry I forgot this was PLOS - I told someone it was BioMed

Central, oops!)

UPDATE: Links Bora showed are listed at:

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/10/opening_science_to_all_at_asis.p

hp

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Nice to see you again Christina!

The recorded session is now available

# posted by Blogger Jean-Claude Bradley : 10/24/2007 4:50 PM